Fan content point costs.

Its been brought to my attention that the point costs for fan content was a little unknown, this system has been in place for a while, but we never properly made a rules section for that, and I apologize for that.
This will be an open debate for how you, the users feel about the system. I have set the poll for three days, and in that time a choice will be made. So if you feel strongly please vote and share your opinion. Please don't vote till you have read all the arguments for and against however.

Remember that you can raise enough points to make an aspect or class in about a week and a half.

I was going to copy over the post I made from the original anouncement, but it doesn't seem to be there any more, so I'll put forth an analogy instead.

Think of a game with two halves. One is playing in a large open world, while the other is creating things for use in the world. You come in to play, full of ideas for cool things to create for the world, only to find that to get that half, you have to play the other for a certain amount of time. Ok fine. But some of your best ideas would require a lot of play time. An entire half of the game is closed off for an arbitrary amount of time. Not only that, but those that have enough time get to bypass some of the evaluation for some of the creations. Meaning that quality is now being upheld less with a higher barrier of entry.

I understand what you mean, but that is also a ridiculous exaggeration. I wouldn't put fanclasses at even 5% of homestuck RP. Yeah its really fun, and I do it all the time. But I also know that not all of them are really going to work in a RP sense, or that they have a tendency to overlap concepts that are already in use.

As for aspects, most people don't make good aspects, its really hard to come up with one that perfectly fits homestuck. I only have one of the ten that I have postulated that I consider good enough to fit in canon.

But most of all, you think that there is some huge tax on these things, but there really isn't, you earn 3 points a day, and about 4 per post, depending on where, its 5 in the RP sections. So if you are involved in a RP, you would need to post once per day for seven days and you can already afford one.

That's like saying, "Because you're wealthy, why are you worried about this fee?"

Those are both very valid points. But being a forum poster doesn't mean you have the best designs. Looking along the side bar right now, damnation just put up like 5 or 6 custom classes, and they all look great. But that's a lot of points for some quality stuff. You need to improve the excisting process for approvals to eliminate those problems, not put up a toll booth.

I am not talking about appearance? It can be hideously ugly but if it matches homestuck style in what it does I will accept it.

I'm not talking about appearance either.

I read it like you did, you said the look great which threw me off. Happens.
Most importantly here, You said it would hurt the forum and I said it won't, those points can be earned in no time. How exactly does it hurt us? I want to know why you feel this way.

Yeah it's fine.
I think that because the two issues you prided that this would fix don't exist, and this wouldn't fix them if they did. This would serve no purpose and ultimately add a higher level of entry to the site.

Actually.

I'm of the opinion that it's too cheap. I mean, honestly, if you have an idea good enough to make a neat-O class, aspect, race even, it's got to have A: HSRP experience behind it, and B: An actual will to push it through. Plus, a price makes you think twice about exactly which ones you will be submitting. I see it as a quality control thing.

I have earned half of the value I need just in this thread, and it does fix those issues really easily. People will take the aspects and classes more seriously. I know for a fact that people are taking longer to work on their fan content because of it.
That too! experience is important, if you are brand new to the site you'll have no idea how anal retentive I am about phrasing in class and aspect submissions, so they will just spout out "Flame, Ice, Bees, Dishwashing, Assassin" in two days and then I have to fairly judge them, and help them come to a inferior but workable class. I did it all the time before the fee, and now only people who are really serious about the title creation options use it.

I see the classes as more of a community resource. Of love to use one of the fan classes for a character sometime. So I see it more as a community disservice to charge points for them since they benefit everyone.

And while I understand from an administrative standpoint that not all classes are up to the standards set, I think that there can be a lot

This really doesn't cut down the number of classes though. The people who should be making classes have plenty of points for it.

But what dictates who should be making classes? Isn't a good idea the same regardless of who has it?

People who have been around for about a month. If you are going to make a permanent effect on this site you need to be someone we know.

So they're not allowed to try until people have already made up their minds about them? A month is a completely arbitrary amount of time. I've been here less than a month, and am a large part of two rps, am nearing 100 posts, and have talked to quite a few people around here.

Yeah, and you can afford to make fan content. Its not supposed to be a giant hurtle, and it seems a lot of people think its too inexpensive.

One of the first things I did around here was make an aspect. No, it wasn't very good at first, but I changed and modified it, talked to others, and made something I really like.

Okay but listen, if you love making aspects so much you can still do that, they just wont be added to the site until you pay a small fee, that is literally earned even when you do nothing. And if you made friends, you really would be set, adding two friends is 50 points.

Then how about this? At least sticky the post about points to each of the Creation Boards? Apparently this was a thing before, but it wasn't exposed or enforced. That would keep away my problem of discouraging new players, by making it clearly visible what the points requirements are and telling them how to earn points that's clearly seen. what I want to avoid is someone spending hours on making something, only for it to be rejected due to a lack of points. Regardless of how easy it is to get points, it would be pretty disheartening at that stage.

And, also, even if the points stay around, the unique species bypass thing is kind of junk.

We added it to the forum rules section, and I am making an effort to inform and enforce it now, which is why we are having this conversation.

As for the bypass, thats to allow creative vision if someone is super serious about their race, but we aren't talking about race prices here, the races will always have a cost.

I think it should be stickier at least to the folder pages of the oc creations.

But it ignores one of the rules of the submission process.

Yeah, well, if someone makes robots, and their robots suck ass, but someone else wants to make robots that are nothing like those original robots except that they are both metal, its an out. As I said, that is not up for debate here. And it doesn't need to be sticky, if people read the rules they will see it, if they don't we will tell them they don't have enough points yet.

But why not sticky them? It can literally only help.

because if we cater to those few who believe the rules do not need to be read, we encourage people to not read those rule sand be ignorant for it. It's would be convenient for any random shmoe to lazy to read the rules, but it would be an inconvenience in the long run due to the very act encouraging people not to bother with the rules.

Also, if it's so much trouble to find the rules, then maybe people who need it should just step out if the act of clicking a couple times is to much for their lethargic ass's.

Note, i am not referring to you as one, just stating my opinion on the matter.